Pérdidas en el asedio de Tobruk

[Buscaglia]

Saludos.

Leo que durante el asedio de Tobruk la Royal Navy perdió 27 navíos y la marina mercante, 7. Aún considerando que la mayoría serían embarcaciones pequeñas y medianas, me parecen muchos.

Sé que entre ellos estuvieron el cañonero HMS Ladybird, el minador Letona, la goleta Maria Giovanna (400 toneladas), el carguero Pass of Balmaha, el HMS Grimsby (990 t.), el mercante Helka (3.700 t.), el HMS Auckland (1.200 t.) y el HMS Watherem (1.100 t.). Algunos de estos nombres aparecen incluso con cierta polémica porque los italianos se adjudican su hundimiento, lo mismo que los alemanes (ambos utilizaban los Junkers 87, tipo de aparato que los mandó al fondo).

¿Alguien puede completar la lista? ¿Hay alguna publicación o página web con el listado completo?

[MiguelFiz]

Sospecho que va a ser un ejercicio de esos que requieren contrastar diversas fuentes amigo Buscaglia, creo que de aqui puede salir algo :

Las perdidas de buques ingleses se pueden consultar aqui (incluye teatro mediterraneo y pacifico ) :

http://freespace.virgin.net/gordon.smit ... Area08.htm


Segun dicha pagina (y un poco de malabares con excel empleando filtros ) las perdidas en 1941 indicadas en la zona de Tobruk fueron :

41/02/11 Whaler SOUTHERN FLOE (R, 344t, 1936) Mined off Tobruk, Libya.
41/02/20 Trawler OUSE (462t, 1917) Mined, Tobruk, Libya.
41/02/24 Destroyer DAINTY (1,375t, 1932) Sunk by aircraft, off Tobruk, Libya.
41/03/18 Armed boarding vessel ROSAURA (R, 1,552t, 1905) Mined off Tobruk, Libya
41/04/29 Convoy service ship CHAKLA (R, 3,081t, 1914) Sunk by aircraft, Tobruk Harbour, Libya.
41/05/12 River gun boat LADYBIRD (625t, 1916) Dive-bombed and sunk, Tobruk, Libya.
41/05/24 Drifter AURORA II (R) Sunk by aircraft at Tobruk, Libya.
41/05/25 Sloop GRIMSBY (990t, 1934) Sunk by aircraft off Tobruk, Libya.
41/05/29 Trawler SINDONIS (913t, 1934) Sunk by aircraft at Tobruk, Libya
41/05/41 Minesweeper STOKE (710t, 1918) Sunk by aircraft at Tobruk, Libya
41/06/24 Sloop AUCKLAND (1,250t, 1933) Sunk by aircraft bombs off Tobruk, Libya.
41/08/19 Whaler THORBRYN (R, 305t, 1936) Sunk by aircraft off Tobruk, Libya.
41/08/27 Whaler SKUDD 3 (R, 245t, 1929) Sunk by aircraft, Tobruk, Libya.
41/10/13 Landing craft tank (MkI) LCT No.2, 7 (total 2, 372t each) Lost after leaving Tobruk, Libya. Date given as 12th-13th
41/11/22 Schooner MARIA DI GIOVANNI (R) Grounded, W of Tobruk, Libya.
41/12/07 Armed boarding vessel CHANTALA (R, 3,129t, 1920) Mined, Tobruk Harbour

Y en 1942 :

42/01/02 Tug DAISY (R) foundered on passage, Alexandria to Tobruk, Libya
42/03 Landing craft personnel (Large) LCP(L) No.57 (8-11t) Bombed at Tobruk.
42/03/26 Tanker/oiler SLAVOL (2,623t, 1917). Sunk by U-boat torpedo sailing for Tobruk, Libya
42/06/20 Landing craft assault LCA No.193 (11-13.5t) Lost during fall of Tobruk.
42/06/20 Landing craft mechanised (MkI) LCM No.110, 113, 145, 146, 148 (total 5, 30-37t each) Lost during fall of Tobruk
42/06/20 Landing craft personnel (Large) LCP(L) No.64 (8-11t) Lost during fall of Tobruk
42/06/20 Landing craft support (Medium) (MkI) LCS(M) No.4, 6, 15, 18, 19, 22 (total 6, 9-11t each) Lost during fall of Tobruk
42/06/20 Landing craft tank (MkII) LCT No.119, 150 (total 2, 450-453t each) Lost at Tobruk.
42/06/20 Tug ALAISIA (R, 72t, 1929). Lost by enemy action, Tobruk, Libya
42/06/20 Tug J.T.A.1 (R). Lost, Tobruk, Libya
42/06/20 Tug J.T.A.14 (R). Lost, Tobruk, Libya
42/06/20 Tug J.T.A.7 (R). Lost, Tobruk, Libya
42/06/21 Drifter HIGHLAND QUEEN (R). Scuttled during fall of Tobruk. Date given as 20th-21st
42/06/21 Whaler PARKTOWN (R, 250t, 1929) Sunk by E-boats off Tobruk, Libya
42/09/14 Destroyer SIKH (1,870t, 12/10/38) Sunk by gunfire, shore batteries, Tobruk, Libya
42/09/14 Motor launch ML No.352 (73t, 9/6/42) Sunk by aircraft, Tobruk, Libya.
42/09/14 Motor launch ML No.353 (73t, 26/5/42) Sunk by aircraft, Tobruk, Libya
42/09/14 Motor torpedo boat MTB No.308 (34t, 31/1/42) Probably aircraft attack off Tobruk, Libya
42/09/14 Motor torpedo boat MTB No.310 (38t, 10/2/42) Probably aircraft attack off Tobruk, Libya
42/09/14 Motor torpedo boat MTB No.312 (34t, 21/2/42) Probably aircraft attack off Tobruk, Libya
42/09/14 Motor torpedo boat MTB No.314 (34t, 2/3/42) Probably aircraft attack off Tobruk, Libya

Repito, esto hay que contrastarlo con otras fuentes, pero creo que ayuda por otro lado, es interesante ver que la gran mayoria fueron perdidos (o se sospecha al menos) por accion de aviacion.

[Buscaglia]

Sospecho que va a ser un ejercicio de esos que requieren contrastar diversas fuentes amigo Buscaglia, creo que de aqui puede salir algo :

Las perdidas de buques ingleses se pueden consultar aqui (incluye teatro mediterraneo y pacifico ) :

http://freespace.virgin.net/gordon.smit ... Area08.htm


Segun dicha pagina (y un poco de malabares con excel empleando filtros ) las perdidas en 1941 indicadas en la zona de Tobruk fueron :

41/02/11 Whaler SOUTHERN FLOE (R, 344t, 1936) Mined off Tobruk, Libya.
41/02/20 Trawler OUSE (462t, 1917) Mined, Tobruk, Libya.
41/02/24 Destroyer DAINTY (1,375t, 1932) Sunk by aircraft, off Tobruk, Libya.
41/03/18 Armed boarding vessel ROSAURA (R, 1,552t, 1905) Mined off Tobruk, Libya
41/04/29 Convoy service ship CHAKLA (R, 3,081t, 1914) Sunk by aircraft, Tobruk Harbour, Libya.
41/05/12 River gun boat LADYBIRD (625t, 1916) Dive-bombed and sunk, Tobruk, Libya.
41/05/24 Drifter AURORA II (R) Sunk by aircraft at Tobruk, Libya.
41/05/25 Sloop GRIMSBY (990t, 1934) Sunk by aircraft off Tobruk, Libya.
41/05/29 Trawler SINDONIS (913t, 1934) Sunk by aircraft at Tobruk, Libya
41/05/41 Minesweeper STOKE (710t, 1918) Sunk by aircraft at Tobruk, Libya
41/06/24 Sloop AUCKLAND (1,250t, 1933) Sunk by aircraft bombs off Tobruk, Libya.
41/08/19 Whaler THORBRYN (R, 305t, 1936) Sunk by aircraft off Tobruk, Libya.
41/08/27 Whaler SKUDD 3 (R, 245t, 1929) Sunk by aircraft, Tobruk, Libya.
41/10/13 Landing craft tank (MkI) LCT No.2, 7 (total 2, 372t each) Lost after leaving Tobruk, Libya. Date given as 12th-13th
41/11/22 Schooner MARIA DI GIOVANNI (R) Grounded, W of Tobruk, Libya.
41/12/07 Armed boarding vessel CHANTALA (R, 3,129t, 1920) Mined, Tobruk Harbour

Y en 1942 :

42/01/02 Tug DAISY (R) foundered on passage, Alexandria to Tobruk, Libya
42/03 Landing craft personnel (Large) LCP(L) No.57 (8-11t) Bombed at Tobruk.
42/03/26 Tanker/oiler SLAVOL (2,623t, 1917). Sunk by U-boat torpedo sailing for Tobruk, Libya
42/06/20 Landing craft assault LCA No.193 (11-13.5t) Lost during fall of Tobruk.
42/06/20 Landing craft mechanised (MkI) LCM No.110, 113, 145, 146, 148 (total 5, 30-37t each) Lost during fall of Tobruk
42/06/20 Landing craft personnel (Large) LCP(L) No.64 (8-11t) Lost during fall of Tobruk
42/06/20 Landing craft support (Medium) (MkI) LCS(M) No.4, 6, 15, 18, 19, 22 (total 6, 9-11t each) Lost during fall of Tobruk
42/06/20 Landing craft tank (MkII) LCT No.119, 150 (total 2, 450-453t each) Lost at Tobruk.
42/06/20 Tug ALAISIA (R, 72t, 1929). Lost by enemy action, Tobruk, Libya
42/06/20 Tug J.T.A.1 (R). Lost, Tobruk, Libya
42/06/20 Tug J.T.A.14 (R). Lost, Tobruk, Libya
42/06/20 Tug J.T.A.7 (R). Lost, Tobruk, Libya
42/06/21 Drifter HIGHLAND QUEEN (R). Scuttled during fall of Tobruk. Date given as 20th-21st
42/06/21 Whaler PARKTOWN (R, 250t, 1929) Sunk by E-boats off Tobruk, Libya
42/09/14 Destroyer SIKH (1,870t, 12/10/38) Sunk by gunfire, shore batteries, Tobruk, Libya
42/09/14 Motor launch ML No.352 (73t, 9/6/42) Sunk by aircraft, Tobruk, Libya.
42/09/14 Motor launch ML No.353 (73t, 26/5/42) Sunk by aircraft, Tobruk, Libya
42/09/14 Motor torpedo boat MTB No.308 (34t, 31/1/42) Probably aircraft attack off Tobruk, Libya
42/09/14 Motor torpedo boat MTB No.310 (38t, 10/2/42) Probably aircraft attack off Tobruk, Libya
42/09/14 Motor torpedo boat MTB No.312 (34t, 21/2/42) Probably aircraft attack off Tobruk, Libya
42/09/14 Motor torpedo boat MTB No.314 (34t, 2/3/42) Probably aircraft attack off Tobruk, Libya

Repito, esto hay que contrastarlo con otras fuentes, pero creo que ayuda por otro lado, es interesante ver que la gran mayoria fueron perdidos (o se sospecha al menos) por accion de aviacion.

¡Justo lo que buscaba!
Demonios, que dominio de las fuentes y del excel Muchas gracias.

Como curiosidad, el Maria Giovana o María de Giovani embarrancó gracias a una treta de los alemanes, que pusieron las mismas luces de posición de la entrada de Tobruk en una cala unos kilómetros antes, engañando a la goleta que quedó barada. Quizá en un sentido amplio en la lista podría incluirse al destructor Zulú dentro del grupo de embarcaciones hundidas el 14 de septiembre del 42 en la incursión contra Tobruk. Creo recordar que fue hundido cuando se retiraba (fue el único barco importante destruído por los cazabombarderos Macchi 200)